Also see: Prop 202: 9/11 Revisited
9/11: Who Really Did It?
Another View of 9/11
Here is something to keep in mind when reading the MSM account.
"We have your sons: CIA"
"Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk. Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7, were taken into custody in Pakistan in September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding."
"Would you admit to being the mastermind of 9-11 to save your kids from being tortured before your eyes? Assume that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed loves his children as much as you do and that any confessions are worthless." -- Mike Rivero of whatreallyhappened.com
Yeah, never mind that they are just patsies if they are involved at all.
I mean, six of them turn up alive in the Middle East after 9/11?
Who stole their identities, readers, and tossed out some Muslim names (Americans won't differentiate) for 'murkn consumption, and who dropped a passport on the streets of New York (from a fireball of an explosion)?
What's also concerning is the rash of these stories lately -- a REPLAY of the SUMMER of 2001!
ANOTHER FALSE-FLAG in the WORKS? NUCLEAR this time?
What is disappointing (but not surprising) is the total shit job the main War Dailies did on this story.
Right from the headline, the thing exudes the approval of torture.
Thanks, MSM, for keeping me here to debunk shit.
Sigh.
First, the Globe pick-up:
"Soft-spoken CIA interrogator faces off with terrorist; Agent chooses to leave torture tactics to others" by Scott Shane, New York Times News Service | June 22, 2008
WASHINGTON - In a makeshift prison in the north of Poland, Al Qaeda's alleged engineer of mass murder faced off against his Central Intelligence Agency interrogator.
One of the secret black sites, no doubt!
Also see: High ranking members of the CIA say there was no Al Qaeda
It was 18 months after the 9/11 attacks, and the invasion of Iraq was giving Muslim extremists new motives for havoc. If anyone knew about the next plot, it was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.
The interrogator, Deuce Martinez, a soft-spoken analyst who spoke no Arabic, had turned down a CIA offer to be trained in waterboarding. He chose to leave the infliction of pain and panic to others, the gung-ho paramilitary types whom the more cerebral interrogators called "knuckle-draggers."
Martinez came in after the rough stuff, the ultimate good cop with the classic skills: an unimposing presence, inexhaustible patience, and a willingness to listen to the gripes and musings of an alleged killer in rambling, imperfect English. He achieved a rapport with Mohammed that astonished his fellow CIA officers.
A canny opponent, Mohammed mixed disinformation and braggadocio with details of plots, past and planned....
Well, one because they were torturing his kids, and two I have a hard time continuing when the newspaper reporting such is a master at disinformation.
And when you factor in the fact that the rest of the world (other than the propaganda press and the dopey American public) KNOW that 9/11 was a CIA/MOSSAD FALSE-FLAG INSIDE JOB, well....
Sigh.
The CIA maintained separate teams in its secret prisons: those who meted out the agony and those who asked the questions.
In the Hollywood cliche of Fox's "24," a torturer shouts questions at a bound terrorist while inflicting excruciating pain. The CIA program worked differently. A paramilitary team put on the pressure, using cold temperatures, sleeplessness, pain, and fear to force a prisoner to talk....
This is REAL LIFE, dammit, not some fucking TV show!!!!
Martinez's success at building a rapport with the terrorist goes to the heart of the interrogation debate. Did it suggest that traditional methods alone might have obtained the same information or more? Or did Mohammed talk so expansively because he feared more tough treatment?
Not the TORTURE DEBATE? I know it is stoo-pid, but I am terribly disappointed at the MSM news.
If they can't take this one on and do a critical analysis, then they are worthless.
We are talking about WAR CRIMES!!!
And the MSM can NOT NOT KNOW!!!!
Please see:
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/The First Abu Ghraib
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/Perversion
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/Dilawar and Habibullah
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/Chamber of Horrors
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/American Amnesty
Hell-oween: Afghanistan Torture File/Bagram
Afghanistan Torture Chamber
The Globe's Weekend Movie
Also see:
Memory Hole: Iraq's Jails
Memory Hole: Camp Nama and Task Force 6-26
Occupation Iraq: New Torture Techniques Revealed
Memory Hole: What Four Years of Torture Will Do to an Innocent Man
.... Current and former US and foreign intelligence officials interviewed for this article offered descriptions of the CIA detention program on condition of anonymity. Martinez declined to be interviewed; his role was described by colleagues.
General Michael V. Hayden, director of the CIA, and a lawyer representing Martinez asked that he not be named in this article, citing privacy and safety reasons. The
And that is where the Globe leaves it, can you believe it?
It just advanced the 9/11 lies 100%!
Here's where the Times continues:
(An editor’s note on this issue has been posted on The Times’s Web site at nytimes.com/world.)
The very fact that Mr. Martinez, a career narcotics analyst who did not speak the terrorists’ native languages and had no interrogation experience, would end up as a crucial player captures the ad-hoc nature of the program. Officials acknowledge that it was cobbled together under enormous pressure in 2002 by an agency nearly devoid of expertise in detention and interrogation....
Have they used the word TORTURE YET?
“I asked, ‘What are we going to do with these guys when we get them?’ ” recalled A. B. Krongard, the No. 3 official at the C.I.A. from March 2001 until 2004. “I said, ‘We’ve never run a prison. We don’t have the languages. We don’t have the interrogators.’ ”
A.B. Krongard, a.k.a. "Buzzy", is the one who placed the put options on the airlines on 9/11:
In its scramble, the agency made the momentous decision to use harsh methods the United States had long condemned. With little research or reflection, it borrowed its techniques from an American military training program modeled on the torture repertoires of the Soviet Union and other cold-war adversaries, a lineage that would come to haunt the agency.
Yeah, I knew about that!
Words like "freedom" are ringing quite hollow, aren't they, 'murkns?
We adopted the torture techniques of the SOVIETS!!!
Oh, puke!!!! Are you PROUD NOW, 'murkns?!
It located its overseas jails based largely on which foreign intelligence officials were most accommodating and rushed to move the prisoners when word of locations leaked. Seeking a longer-term solution, the C.I.A. spent millions to build a high-security prison in a remote desert location, according to two former intelligence officials. The prison, whose existence has never been disclosed, was completed — and then apparently abandoned unused — when President Bush decided in 2006 to move all the prisoners to Guantánamo....
The point is the SECRET SITES and SECRET PRISONS goes on!!!!
Documents confirm U.S. hid detainees from Red Cross
Hell, they HAVE THEM ON SHIPS at SEA!!!
But this one was abandoned, uh-huh!
Would they tell us if it wasn't, readers?
After the shit shovel of lies?!
The son of a C.I.A. technician who worked on the agency’s secret communications and eventually became a senior executive, Mr. Martinez grew up in Virginia, majored in political science at James Madison University and went directly into the C.I.A. training program not long before his father retired. He wound up in the agency’s Counternarcotics Center, learning to sift masses of phone numbers, travel records, credit card transactions and more to search for people.
In the agency’s great cultural divide, he was a stay-at-home analyst, not an “operator,” one of the glamorous spies who recruited foreign agents overseas. His tool was the computer, and until the earthquake of 9/11 his expertise was drug cartels, not terrorist networks....
That's a strange pairing of words, isn't it?
And HowTF did this guy get the terrorist gig?
Doesn't speak the language, etc. This was the best the CIA could do?
He was the "nice" interrogator, huh?
After the attacks, officials recognized that tracking drug lords was not so different from searching for terrorist masterminds, and Mr. Martinez was among a half dozen or so narcotics analysts moved to the Counterterrorist Center to become “targeting officers” in the hunt for Al Qaeda....
And yet Bush gets out there and says they need all this spying power because "terrorists" can't be battled like "criminals."
I am SO SICK of the SHIT SPEW!!!!!
Abu Zubaydah was flown to Thailand, to the first of the “black sites,” the agency’s interrogation facilities for major Qaeda figures.
Thailand, which had long faced Muslim insurgents in its south, became the first choice because C.I.A. officers had a very close relationship with their counterparts in Bangkok, according to one American intelligence official. At first, the official said, “they didn’t even tell the prime minister.”
Inside a ‘Black Site’
It was at the Thai jail, not far from Bangkok, that Mr. Martinez first tried his hand at interrogation on Abu Zubaydah, who refused to speak Arabic with his captors but spoke passable English. It was also there, as previously reported, that the C.I.A. would first try physical pressure to get information, including the near-drowning of waterboarding. The methods came from the military’s SERE training program, for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape, which many of the C.I.A.’s paramilitary officers had themselves completed. A small version of SERE had long operated at the C.I.A.’s Virginia training site, known as The Farm....
Abu Zubaydah became compliant after 35 seconds of the water treatment....
If officers believed the prisoner was holding out, paramilitary officers who had undergone a crash course in the new techniques, but who generally knew little about Al Qaeda, would move in to manhandle the prisoner. Aware that they were on tenuous legal ground, agency officials at headquarters insisted on approving each new step — a night without sleep, a session of waterboarding, even a “belly slap” — in an exchange of encrypted messages. A doctor or medic was always on hand.
So that makes it all O.K., huh?
The tough treatment would halt as soon as the prisoner expressed a desire to talk. Then the interrogator would be brought in....
I haven't seen the word torture used yet.
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri... resisted and was subjected to waterboarding, intelligence officials have said. C.I.A superiors offered Mr. Martinez and some other analysts the chance to be “certified” in what the C.I.A. euphemistically called “enhanced interrogation methods.”
Another Suspect Is Seized
The hunt for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed involved the entire American intelligence establishment, with its billion-dollar arrays of spy satellites and global eavesdropping net. But his capture came down to a simple text message sent from an informant who had slipped into the bathroom of a house in Rawalpindi, near the Pakistani capital, Islamabad....
The capture team waited a few hours before going in on the night of March 1, 2003, to blur the connection to the informant, a walk-in attracted by the offer of a $25 million reward. The informant, described by one American who met him as “a little guy who looked like a farmer,” would later get a face-to-face thank you from George J. Tenet, then the C.I.A. director, at the American Embassy in Abu Dhabi, intelligence officials say, and he was resettled with his reward money under a new identity in the United States.
Within days, Mr. Mohammed was flown to Afghanistan and then on to Poland, where the most important of the C.I.A.’s black sites had been established.... Poland was picked because there were no local cultural and religious ties to Al Qaeda, making infiltration or attack by sympathizers unlikely, one C.I.A. officer said. Most important, Polish intelligence officials were eager to cooperate.
“Poland is the 51st state,” one former C.I.A. official recalls James L. Pavitt, then director of the agency’s clandestine service, declaring. “Americans have no idea.”
Actually, it must be the 53rd: Israel is 51 and Iraq 52.
But I do believe that last thought (no thanks to garbage media like this. They use the word torture yet?).
Mr. Mohammed met his captors at first with cocky defiance, telling one veteran C.I.A. officer, a former Pakistan station chief, that he would talk only when he got to New York and was assigned a lawyer....
But the rules had changed.... The Times reported last year that the intensity of his treatment — various harsh techniques, including waterboarding, used about 100 times over a period of two weeks — prompted worries that officers might have crossed the boundary into illegal torture....
Oh, finally, they use the word!
OVER 100 TIMES he was WATERBOARDED in two weeks!
I'd admit to being Christopher Columbus for God's sake!
I'm SO DISAPPOINTED in the AmeriKan MSM for letting this ABOMINABLE ADMINISTRATION SLIDE -- and WORSE, for HELPING and ENABLING THEM (like this article), the COMPLICIT FUCKS!!!
His cooperation came in fits and starts, and interrogators said they believed at times that he gave them disinformation....
Gee, the New York Times doesn't even have to get tortured to do that; they serve up plates of shit willingly every damn day!
Mr. Mohammed, according to one former C.I.A. officer briefed on the sessions, “would go through these emotional cycles.”
“He’d be chatty, almost friendly,” the officer added. “He liked to debate. He got to the stage where he’d draw parallels between Christianity and Islam and say, ‘Can’t we get along?’ ”
By this account, Mr. Martinez would reply to the man who had overseen the killing of nearly 3,000 people: “Isn’t it a little late for that?”
And how about George W. Bush, huh?
He's responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS -- and for the 9/11 BLACK-BAG INSIDE JOB by the CIA and MOSSAD, too!!!!!!!
The intelligence riches ultimately gleaned from Mr. Mohammed were reflected in the report of the national 9/11 commission, whose footnotes credit his interrogations 60 times for facts about Al Qaeda and its plotting — while also occasionally noting assertions by him that were “not credible.”
Translation: TORTURE WORKS -- or so says the New York Times.
Yes, INTELLIGENCE RICHES!
Human rights advocates have questioned some of Mr. Mohammed’s claims... suggesting that they may have been false statements made to stop torture.
Ya think?
Mr. Martinez has not turned away entirely from his old world. He now works for Mitchell & Jessen Associates, a consulting company run by former military psychologists who advised the C.I.A. on the use of harsh tactics in the secret program. And his new employer sent Mr. Martinez right back to the agency...."
And CUI BONO?
What INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIPS built on the SICKEST of LIES!!!
And the program? DISGUSTING!!!!!
Please, world, DON'T YOU LUMP ME IN WITH the WAR CRIMINAL CROWD!!
I'm American, world, and I CONDEMN THIS TORTURING LYING, LAW-BREAKING, MASS-MURDERING WAR CRIMINAL and HIS WAR CRIMINAL CABINET!!!
All based on a CROCK of LIES!!!!!!
I DEMAND IMPEACHMENT RIGHT NOW!!!!
And WHERE are you, U.N.?
To read the New York Times shit shovel, go here
I'd advise against it muhself.
