Curiouser and curiouser.
Yesterday, the Times is all over the Turkish Muslim community, even though the "terrorists" are native German converts.
Pfffttttt!
And now today:
Germans Say U.S. Officials Helped to Foil Bombing Plot by SOUAD MEKHENNET and NICHOLAS KULISH
ULM, Germany, Sept. 8 — The discovery of a plot to detonate powerful bombs in Germany this week was a result of close cooperation between American and German security officials, with intelligence passing back and forth between the two sides, German officials said Saturday.
[But when the report first came out, we were told it was a German operation.
I mean, it's the simplest things they lie about, reader, so if they would lie about them, the big things?
Gimme a break!]
American intelligence was instrumental in first bringing the foiled plot to the attention of German intelligence and law enforcement officials, according to German and American officials. Interceptions of e-mail messages and telephone calls between Germany and both Pakistan and Turkey raised the initial red flags last year, they said. But the Americans also wanted to protect their sources, a German intelligence official said, which meant that the earliest warnings were vague.
[Yup, our "Al-CIA-Duh" moles!!!!
So a "terror attack" should NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!
If it does, once again it will be an INSIDE JOB!]
The official said that the first communiqué consisted of the aliases of two men, “Muaz” and “Zafer,” who were said to have visited a terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
The nicknames were linked to two members of what authorities call a breakaway cell of a Central Asian terrorist group, the Islamic Jihad Union, operating in Germany.
According to a confidential status report prepared by investigators after last week’s arrests and obtained by The New York Times, Atilla Selek, who the police say was involved in the scouting of American military barracks in the town of Hanau, goes by the alias Muaz. Zafer appeared to refer to Zafer Sari, a 22-year-old from the town of Neuenkirchen, the same town as Daniel Martin Schneider, one of the three men arrested last week and accused of planning to use hydrogen peroxide bombs.
“If we hadn’t here and there gotten little puzzle pieces of information, often through coincidences, we wouldn’t have found them,” said the intelligence official. He said the men were not only trained in explosives, but also in countersurveillance.
[What? The Americans told you all about it!
You guys were all over them the whole time!]
It was a mistake by a police officer the day before the arrest, the official said, that may have accelerated both the suspected plot and the arrest. The officer pulled the three suspects over for driving with their high beams on. During the traffic stop, he said that the men were on the watch list of the German Federal Police. The suspects heard him, the official said, and so did the federal officers, listening on the wiretap.
[The story just gets stranger and stranger!
It's like the German Stasi was in the "terrorists" foot prints, for God's sake.
Almost as if the "terrorists" directors (aka CIA) KNEW EXACTLY what the "terrorists" would be doing!]
A German police official involved in the investigations of Islamic terrorism in southern Germany for several years said that “since 9/11, any information that had to do with the Islamic scene has been sent to the Americans,” including information about members of the suspected plot.
The discussion was going on at the top levels of government as well. President Bush and Chancellor Angela Merkel were reported to have discussed the investigation at the Group of 8 conference in June, the German news magazine Spiegel said on its Web site on Saturday.
Investigators here said Saturday that they fear that terrorist plots could still be under way in Germany by unarrested members of the Islamic Jihad Union cell.
[And just two days they said, and I quote:
"Authorities said Thursday they were confident that they had broken up the group accused of plotting attacks against Americans and that it no longer posed a security risk (Washington Post September 7, 2007)."
Strange how the plots NEVER END, and there are always these LOOSE STRINGS they can't find!
Yup, can spy all over the place, etc, but not a clue as to what is going on!
They HAVE TO BE LYING with one of the statements!!!
Reader? Ya' with me?
SUCH BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!]
A senior investigator on the case, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there might be “parallel planning” for separate attacks by members of the group. “There are still three of them out there who have trained with explosives in the camps and these people are still free,” the investigator said.
The fear of parallel plots was also spelled out in the confidential investigative report, which said, “At the moment it cannot be ruled out that unexposed members or sympathizers of the I.J.U. are adhering to the original plans.”
[Keep that FEAR and "threat" going so you can:
"[use] the foiled terrorist plot as an excuse to introduce tougher security measures... crucial to be able to use spying software for private computers... (New York Times September 6 & 7 2007).
"Last week, the Interior Ministry was planning to send spy software programs into computers owned by people they suspected of having links with terrorist organizations (Associated Press September 6 2007)."
Please wake up, AmeriKa!!!!!]
"Germany plots had deadline, report says; Men allegedly had 2 weeks to strike" by Erik Kirschbaum/Reuters September 9, 2007
BERLIN - Three suspected Islamist militants who were planning to attack American targets in Germany had orders to act by Sept. 15 and knew police were on their trail before their arrest, a magazine said yesterday.
[Did their CIA case officer inform of that after alerting the Germans?
So they would hurry up and do it? Sniff, sniff, STINK!]
The plan was foiled on Tuesday when police arrested two German converts to Islam and a Turk in the biggest German police investigation in the last 30 years.
According to surveillance details published in Der Spiegel magazine, the men had been given a two-week deadline for their planned strikes in a late August call from northern Pakistan that was monitored by German police.
[By WHO?]
In another detail to emerge yesterday, a spokeswoman for the Federal Prosecutors Office in Karlsruhe confirmed a Focus magazine report that the suspects had obtained used vans in France and brought them to Germany.
The suspected militants, identified by German media as Fritz Gelowicz, Daniel Martin Schneider, and Adem Yilmaz, had material to make bombs with power equal to about 1,200 pounds of TNT and were believed to be planning simultaneous car bombs across Germany.
Officials have said that all three had trained in militant camps in Pakistan before forming a domestic cell of the Islamic Jihad Union, a little known Al Qaeda-affiliated Sunni Muslim group with roots in Uzbekistan.
According to Der Spiegel, two of the militants mentioned "a disco filled with American sluts" along with airports, nightclubs, or a US military base as targets during a July 20 conversation that was bugged by police.
The three suspects were aware they were under close police observation, Der Spiegel said. At one point, one of the suspects got out of a car at a traffic light, calmly walked back to an unmarked police vehicle behind him, and slashed its tires.
[WTF? Was he arrested? Did they just let him get back in the car and leave?
This "plot" gets curiouser and curiouser, and stinkier and stinkier!]
The arrests were the culmination of an investigation that began a year ago, when US officials alerted German authorities to e-mails intercepted from Pakistan.
Neither the federal police office nor federal prosecutors have commented on the details of the arrest or the probe."
[Yeah, I bet I know why:
ALL BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA for western, shit-eating consumers!]
"Germany on Tiptoe Over Terror" by CHRISTOPHER CALDWELL
LAST June, Albert Einstein was supplanted in the German mind as the archetypal resident of Ulm by Tolga Dürbin. A German citizen who the authorities say was apprehended waging jihad in Pakistan, Mr. Dürbin is now under arrest in Germany, accused of incitement to violence. He reportedly worked for a business that sold solar-energy equipment in Ulm, a medieval city on the Baden-Württemberg side of the Danube, and one young man he took under his wing and introduced to radicalism was his boss’s son, Fritz Martin Gelowicz, who had converted to Islam as a teenager.
Mr. Gelowicz was arrested on Tuesday in the vacation village of Oberschledorn with two others: a fellow German convert named Daniel Martin Schneider and Adem Yilmaz, a Turkish citizen. The three, who the police said had traveled to Pakistan for terrorist training from an Uzbek group called the Islamic Jihad Union, were charged with plotting to detonate gigantic bombs made with highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide, of which they had managed to procure three-quarters of a ton. (The government said, however, that at one point, its agents managed to swap some of the supplies for a less dangerous concentration.)
Investigators said the group planned to attack “soft targets” near American military installations, along with the Frankfurt airport.
The reports that such an attack had been thwarted has evoked a nationwide sigh of relief. But it has also spurred a debate about the way Germany fights terrorism — whether its hard-learned respect for individual rights has hampered it in this new fight, and whether the distance it has put between its foreign policy and that of the United States, particularly in Iraq, has done anything to make it less vulnerable.
This debate seems destined to change the country’s laws, and its analysis of how secure it is.
The “Ulm scene,” as it is called in the German newspapers, has been a headache for German law enforcement since the late 1990s, according to Benno Köpfer, deputy head of the research group on Islamic terrorism and Extremism for the Verfassungsschutz (a government office set up in the wake of World War II to identify and monitor extremist groups) of Baden-Württemberg.
Ulm and its twin city of Neu-Ulm, across the Danube in Bavaria, together have a population of 167,000, of whom 16 percent are “foreign,” according to the cities’ official figures. But that alone would not make the area a likely site of unrest. Germany’s Muslim population, largely of Turkish background, has long shown little inclination to involve itself in radical anti-Western politics, terrorist or otherwise.
What was most hard-line about the Ulm scene, Mr. Köpfer says, arose from a heavy influx of migrants out of Bosnia in the late 1990s, many of them highly politicized. Two centers of radical activity cropped up: in Ulm, an Islamic Information Center, and in Neu-Ulm, a club called Multicultural House that flourished until authorities shut it down in 2005. Mr. Gelowicz was reportedly an habitué of both.
And radical Muslims began to exert a glamorous gravitational pull on some German youths, German authorities say. In 2003 a local convert calling himself “Hamza” Fischer was killed fighting against Russian troops in Chechnya.
“They like the clear rules,” Mr. Köpfer says of the young converts. “Many of them are attracted to Islam not as a religion but as an ideology.” State investigators have 230 preliminary terrorism investigations open, and estimate that 130 of the young Islamists espouse violence.
Germany’s interior minister, the Christian Democrat Wolfgang Schäuble, has warned since last spring that Germany faced grave terror threats. His deputy, August Hanning, even said that the atmosphere reminded him of the atmosphere shortly before the attacks on the World Trade Center.
[Booga-booga-booga!]
In mid-July, a German army hospital in Ulm was evacuated after a bomb threat. Germans are in a suggestible frame of mind now, amid a the triple terrorist anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001, the “German autumn” of attacks launched by the Red Army Faction in September 1977, and the murder of Israeli athletes by Palestinian terrorists at the Munich Olympics in September 1972.
Huge resources were invested in the Gelowicz affair. The suspects, German officials said, had been kept under surveillance since Mr. Gelowicz was spotted casing targets among American military installations in the town of Hanau.
Three hundred law enforcement personnel have been working full time on the case for months, and there were 600 working by the day of the arrests, on which 41 buildings were raided, the police said.
[600 cops working the case, and yet they have LOOSE ENDS?
How much bullshit you like for breakfast, week-ender shit-eater?
Wanna SUPER-SIZE IT?]
But Mr. Schäuble wants more. He wants a revamping of the laws for fighting terrorism, many of which were devised decades ago with the idea that the worst radical threats could come from inside the government itself.
[Oh, I AGREE!! I AGREE WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!
Like a bunch of Neo-Con Globalist types!!!!]
Membership in a foreign terrorist organization was made a crime after Sept. 11, but the authorities noticed only after the arrest of Mr. Dürbin earlier this year that a nonmember who was getting trained in terror tactics by such an organization was not committing a crime at all. At an emergency meeting in Berlin on Friday, state interior ministers agreed on a plan to criminalize getting terrorist training.
A further measure that Mr. Schäuble has been seeking since the spring is authorization to troll for information on the computers of terror suspects; he estimates there would be fewer than a dozen cases a year.
Mr. Schäuble’s proposal has drawn opposition from the Social Democratic Party, with which the Christian Democrats share power. Peter Struck, the Social Democrats’ legislative leader and a former defense minister, announced late in the week that the arrests were proof that Mr. Schäuble did not need additional powers. “It shows that we already have sufficient tools for bringing terrorist activities under control,” he said.
[Until government forces let their agents through, and then they will get it, right?]
Or will they just cook the bomb themselves, like in 1993?]
Many of the important details of last week’s threat have yet to emerge — just what pushed the accused terrorists to gather all that hydrogen peroxide, for instance. But the arrests and the discussion of American targets were enough to set the country’s leaders and others to wondering about how very little it may have taken to turn their country into a battlefield of international (and now domestic) jihad.
The first country to break with America on Iraq, Germany nonetheless has been active in the coalition to keep the peace in post-Taliban Afghanistan. It sent its navy to patrol the Horn of Africa, and guarded the coast of Lebanon this summer. Was that interventionist enough and pro-American enough for would-be terrorists?
Perhaps it is not surprising that the question of how intensively German law enforcement consulted with American intelligence has been little discussed in the German press. “They played a role,” said Mr. Köpfer, the government terrorism expert."
[NOTHING surprises me anymore!
MSM "news" is SCRIPTED and PRESENTED as if MARKETING a PRODUCT!
After all, it's a "business!"]
