"Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust: German peace researchers"
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German professors: No more preferential treatment for Israel: In debate held at Netanya Academic College, professors state modern day Germany ‘has paid its debt in full to the Jewish people’
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Last update - 10:43 19/02/2008
German intellectuals: Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust
By Cnaan Liphshiz
A group of visiting German intellectuals called on Berlin on Monday to change what they termed its Holocaust-rooted blind support of Israel, saying the creation of the State of Israel turned Palestinians into victims of the Nazi Holocaust as well.
The four, Dr. Reiner Steinweg, Prof. Gert Krell, Prof. Georg Meggle, and Jorg Becker, took part in a debate Monday evening at the Netanya Academic College on the future of German-Israeli relations. They were among 25 signatories to a petition on the issue that was circulated in the German media following the Second Lebanon War.
According to the manifesto, German responsibility toward the Palestinians is "one side of the consequences of the Holocaust which receives far too little attention." The paper goes on to argue that it was the Holocaust which Germany perpetrated that brought about "the suffering that has persisted [in the Middle East] for the last six decades and has at present become unbearable."
This, according to the manifesto titled "Friendship and Criticism," is because "without the Holocaust of the Jews, Israeli policy would not see itself as entitled - or forced to ride over the human rights of the Palestinians and the inhabitants of Lebanon."
Without the Holocaust, the document adds, Israel would not have enjoyed the same material and political support from the U.S. The researchers told Haaretz this also applies to support from Germany.
"So it is not only Israel which can lay claim to special consideration on the part of Germany. As Germans we share not only a responsibility toward Israel's existence, but also for the living conditions of the Palestinian People," the scholars concluded.
The four cosignatories attended the debate at the invitation of former deputy Knesset speaker, Dov Ben-Meir, who organized the event. In December 2006, Ben-Meir wrote what he titled "a friendly response" to the manifesto, which he in turn circulated in the media.
In his response, Ben-Meir said the original manifesto reflected a "simplistic" approach. One of the main reasons for the conflict and the current state of Arabs and Palestinians, Ben-Meir said, was intransigence on their part and their reliance on violence instead of dialogue.
Conceding that Germany's attitude to Israel is part of a Holocaust-based "special relationship," Ben-Meir said at the debate that this relationship - which included huge reparations payments that Germany made to Israel in the 1950s - was primarily a German interest, more than an Israeli one.
"By agreeing to put Germany's Nazi past aside, the Jewish nation has granted Germany an entrance pass into the family of nations after Germany was considered a pariah nation because of its Nazi past," he said.
The debate, which drew a crowd of some 150 people, took place in the framework of a panel discussion. Representing the German scholars were Professor Meggle, who specializes in philosophical anthropology at the University of Leipzig, and Dr. Steinweg, a researcher at the Linz branch of the Austrian Study Centre for Peace and Conflict Resolution.
Steinweg said the group came to clear up misunderstandings about the manifesto, which according to him has been misconstrued as a call to end Germany's longstanding friendship with Israel.
Local panelists included former Israeli ambassador to Germany Shimon Stein, correspondent for Die Zeit, Gisela Dachs and Professor Moshe Zimmermann, Director of the Koebner Minerva Center for German History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
Zimmermann said the issue of the Holocaust was currently subject to political manipulation both by Israel and in Germany. "The Israelis try to use this issue to paint people who criticize Israel as anti-Semites. At the same time, this manifesto is an attempt to manipulate German feelings of guilt vis-à-vis the Holocaust, by projecting them onto the Palestinians," he argued.
"If the Germans want to feel guilt about the Holocaust, they better stick to the Poles, the Dutch and the Jews. There is no need to go as far as to feel guilty for what happened to the Palestinians," he added.
Commenting on the heated discussion that ensued, Herman Bunz from the Friedrich Ebert Stiftung - the private non-profit German organization which funded the visit by the German scholars - told the panelists, "This is the perfect chance to misunderstand each other, but I would advise you to do the opposite."
"They are a minority, but they educate young German minds and we cannot afford to brush their criticism aside as anti-Semitic. We must confront it," said Ben-Meir."
"H. R. 1746 Holocaust Payout"
"Screw Ron Paul, maybe if Americans knew that for winning WW2?? that 70 years later there are going to pay out again, big time, to the people they saved and have been subsidizing ever since.
Maybe if Joe 6pack knew about his *taxes* paying *his* Politicians to debate giving more money to a few elite Zionist Jew?
This shit pisses me off still!"
Why should I have to PAY for something I had NOTHING TO DO WITH?!?!
And wait a minute, we SAVED YOUR ASSES you ungrateful shitstinks!!!!
And now you want us to kill Iranians for you?
So, what, you can come back 60 years later and make your saviors PAY FOR THAT, too?
I say PULL the PLUG on Iz-ray-HELL!!!
I'm not alone, readers:
"Edgar J Steele hems them in
Whenever I read establishment sob stories concerning the only Holocaust ever carried out on this planet, it never fails to catch my attention that the insistance on the 6,000,000 figure is played ad infinitum. Despite the plaque at Auschwitz having to concede and lower its tally from 4,000,000 to 1,500,000 Jews exterminated there, it never affects the 6,000,000 total. This whole is indeed greater than the sum of it's parts and to the rest of the world's detriment. It also invariably takes me back to this article for all of Edgar Steeles personal experience concerning questioning official dogma. Here's something from the article few know;
The WWI Holocaust
Did you know that the Jews trotted out their 6 million lie before, during WWI? No, I didn't think so. They want you to forget about that claim, which simply didn't stick. People were better read and educated then, I suppose, else it might have gained the traction that it has achieved today in couch potato land. "Six million men and women are dying" in the Ukraine, claimed The American Hebrew periodical on October 31, 1919, the very same claim that Jews made twenty years later.
You see, Jews thought they were going to establish Israel right after WWI, due to the Balfour Declaration's promise of Palestine in exchange for Jews causing America to enter the war against Germany. Since a Jewish Torah prophecy demands that there be a 6-million-Holocaust offering prior to Jews returning to the Promised Land, it was incumbent upon them to fabricate the Holocaust then and there. The Torah called for cleansing the "chosen" souls through the sacrifice of 6 million in "burning ovens," since unclean souls could not be allowed to return to the Promised Land. That is the real source of the "6 million" myth, as well as the myth of the "ovens."
However, Britain was unable to deliver up Palestine as promised by Lord Balfour, since Palestine still was possessed by Turkey. It took another twenty years and another World War to make good on Balfour's promise. Quietly, the 6-million lie was put to rest, only to be revived just prior to WWII. The self-same claim about 6 million Jews dying was made, as part of the propaganda to once again force America to enter a war which involved none of its interests.
The article in it's entirety, HERE"
Well how about that, huh, readers?
Do NaZionist lies ever cease?